Chapter 316: Introducing the Su-27 Production Line
Chapter 316 Introducing the Su-27 production line
Selling aircraft production lines seems to be a poisonous act to quench thirst and drain the pond to catch fish.
Selling complete aircraft can make money continuously, and the mid-term life extension of aircraft, etc., all cost money. After selling the production line, users produce by themselves and finally abandon the original factory, how can they make money?
However, only by selling the production line can customers be retained.
Moreover, after users buy the production line, they cannot produce immediately. They have to slowly transition from the initial assembly of parts to slowly increasing the localization rate. During this process, the original factory can make a lot of money.
Therefore, if users have no choice but to buy the complete aircraft, the original factory will be happy. If users have other choices, then exporting production lines to help users produce is also an alternative option.
In short, making money is the first priority.
Sukhoi Design Bureau.
"What? The inspection team from the East wants to reach an agreement with the Mikoyan Design Bureau? How is this possible? Aren't they already using our Su-27 fighters?" Simonov stood up from his seat and looked at the person in front of him.
"Yes, they did take a fancy to our aircraft. The first batch of aircraft performed well in their hands and was full of praise, but... the Easterners have always been pursuing the independent production of this aircraft. If we don't agree to their request, they can only choose other aircraft." Pugachev said angrily: "For our Sukhoi Aviation Association, this is a huge blow."
After the collapse of the Red Empire, various military industrial enterprises have undergone great changes. They Sukhoi combined their aircraft factories to form the Sukhoi Aviation Association.
For them, the Eastern market is the most important. From top to bottom, even a three-year-old child knows that it was the orders from China that saved their factory.
The first order filled their stomachs. Then, they planned to take the second and third orders. The East wanted to produce it by itself? How is it possible?
They have already grasped it and thought that the East was very satisfied with the Su-27 and had no other choice. Who would have thought that they would choose the MiG-29 that they once didn't want!
"Why would they be interested in the short-legged MiG-29?"
Nikoshev smiled bitterly: "Yes, the MiG-29 has short legs, which is its biggest problem. However, the guests from the East have already made suggestions for improvement to the Mikoyan Design Bureau. I heard that there are suggestions to remove the auxiliary air intake and add a conformal fuel tank on the back of the aircraft. If these projects are implemented, the MiG-29 can increase the internal fuel of 2,000 liters and the range can reach about 2,500 kilometers."
From 1,500 to 2,500, this is already a qualitative leap!
Simonov's face became serious: "Is it the improvement suggestion proposed by the Orientals?"
Nikoshev nodded heavily.
This news is crucial, which shows that the Orientals are very attentive to the MiG-29! If the Orientals choose the MiG-29, it means that the subsequent export of their Su-27 will be in vain!
Although many customers have taken a fancy to the Su-27, their purchase quantities are very small, only in the single digits or tens.
The East is different.
They have estimated that the East needs at least 200 Su-27 fighters, and at most 500. The East will become the most important user of Su-27 besides the Russians.
In other words, orders from the East alone can make their Sukhoi Aviation Association live a comfortable life.
But what about now?
This piece of meat is actually going to fall into the hands of the Mikoyan Design Bureau?
"No, we can't watch this happen!" Simonov clenched his fists: "We must make the Easterners change their minds."
"Then we have to show our sincerity." Pugachev said: "The Easterners want to purchase the second batch of Su-27 fighters and introduce the production technology of Su-27. If we want to continue cooperation, we must agree to their request."
They only want to sell fighters, not technology, but now they suddenly find that if they want to sell fighters, they must sell technology!
What to do?
"So far, Dongfang can only produce second-generation aircraft." Nikoshev said: "So, even if they want to produce independently, they need us to provide a large number of spare parts, even in the initial stage, all the spare parts. We can still make a lot of money from the initial orders. With this money, we can improve our fighters. The two-seat Su-30 and the high-performance Su-35 all need funds to develop. Later, even if they master the manufacturing technology of Su-27, they will have to continue to ask us for help to produce more advanced models."
The Su-27SK currently exported is simplified from their own version. It is considered the first generation product. The problem of rickets has always existed.
It was not until the Su-35 that this problem was solved.
The two-seat Su-30 is a more powerful fighter-bomber. This aircraft was originally produced as a two-seat trainer for the Su-27, but it was found that it had good performance and could be converted into a dedicated fighter-bomber.
In Dongfang, the H-6 has been used for decades, and its normal flight load is only six tons. What about the Su-30? It can carry nine tons of weapons and equipment! Therefore, the two-seater type has transformed into a powerful weapon for ground attack.
Although the prototype had been produced before the collapse of the Red Empire, the electronic equipment at that time was too primitive and backward. If you want to sell it, you have to carry out a package of improvement plans, all of which cost money.
Simonov finally nodded. Since you can't just export equipment, then sell technology. This is better than handing over the market to the Mikoyan Design Bureau!
"Contact the Orientals. We agree to sell the production line. However, since the technology of the third-generation engine is more advanced, they cannot produce it. Therefore, we will never sell the engine of the Su-27. This is our bottom line."
Simonov still kept a hand.
Just when the senior executives of the Sukhoi Design Bureau were forced to compromise, Qin Tao, Gu Lao and others were still continuing their inspection. They had visited the aircraft manufacturing plant and came to the Mikoyan Design Bureau.
"We are here to cooperate with you this time. In addition to the MiG-29 fighter project, we also plan to introduce the subsystems of the MiG-29." Qin Tao continued to deceive: "The J-8 fighter jets developed and produced in our country lack qualified radars, so we plan to transplant the radar and fire control system of the MiG-29."
Belyakov's eyes lit up immediately. There is still business?
"Of course, no problem. The N019 radar used by our MiG-29 is an advanced pulse Doppler radar..." Belyakov introduced it, and then said: "If you need to modify it, it is best to send the aircraft to us, and we will complete all the modifications and debugging."
Qin Tao was speechless.
What is this? The kind of people who have fallen from the family still have a proud heart, thinking about how they were in the past?
"I'm sorry, we suffered a great loss in the cooperation with the United States. In order to avoid similar problems, we will not hand over the aircraft to others. In addition, we don't want the backward inverted card antenna radar, we want a more advanced flat plate slot radar." Qin Tao made a request.
Gu Lao and the others all looked very serious.
What Qin Tao said was exactly what they really thought.
They learned a lot from their mistakes. They suffered such a big loss in the Peace Model Project, and finally they were overpriced. The lesson was too profound, so they would never make the same mistake again.
In fact, Belyakov had no intention of cheating people, but he was used to being the boss.
When Tu Lao from Factory 132 came to ask for help, hoping to help solve some problems of the Super Seven fighter, they also asked to be the general contractor, so that the project was delayed for a long time, and finally they only tinkered with the appearance.
Now, they also want to be the general contractor for the radar modification project of the J-8.
However, after Qin Tao said this, he also reacted: "Well, this is also possible. Our Phazotron-NIIR is developing a new beetle radar, which uses a flat slot radar antenna. We are planning to use this radar to improve our MiG-29 fighter."
"Is there a real machine?"
"The real machine is still under development. We currently have some design materials on hand."
Everyone listened carefully.
This radar code-named Beetle has good performance. It uses advanced technologies such as traveling wave tube transmitters, flat slot array antennas, and programmable signal processors. For targets with an RCS of 3 square meters, the head-on detection distance is 100 kilometers. It can track 10 targets at the same time and can engage 4 targets in the track-while-scan (TWS) mode.
Everyone opened their eyes wide. This radar has the same performance as the American radar they had planned to purchase before, or even more advanced!
"Ahem, ahem." Qin Tao couldn't help but speak: "Please don't introduce the design parameters to us, we want to know the performance that has been achieved now."
This kind of PPT introduction is really boring.
It is meaningful to know the real performance.
Belyakov was a little embarrassed when he heard Qin Tao say this: "We don't know the specific performance. If you want to know, we can go to the Faztron Radar Research Institute in the afternoon."
The old Russians now have learned to fool people!
Everyone just listened to the introduction so enthusiastically that they thought it had been achieved. When they went to the Faztron Radar Research Institute in the afternoon and listened to the other party's introduction, they realized how much the data had shrunk.
The maximum detection distance is only 80 kilometers, the tracking distance is 50 kilometers, and it can track ten targets at the same time, but can only attack two at the same time.
However, what interested them was a new ability.
"In addition to being able to use R-27 missiles, it can also use R-77 missiles." The person in charge introduced: "This missile is an active radar-guided missile with more advanced performance."
Semi-active radar-guided missiles require continuous radar irradiation from the carrier aircraft, and cannot move at this time, so they are very dangerous. After developing this type of missile, countries will continue to develop more advanced active radar missiles.
The missile's seeker can not only receive radar waves, but also emit radar waves. In this way, there is no need for carrier aircraft irradiation, and safety will be greatly improved. Although due to the size of the missile, this seeker can generally only switch to active mode at a distance of more than ten kilometers, but as long as there is this final sharp blow, it is enough.
Of course, Lao Maozi had already begun research in this area. He started planning in the early 1980s and started testing sample bombs in 1984. By the end of 1991, it was completely completed and ready to enter the small batch production stage.
At this time, the Red Empire collapsed.
Although it was originally planned to be produced at the KoMMunar factory in Moscow, this has just begun, and part of the missile's production technology is still with Ermao.
For example, the "Torch" Design Bureau and Alchem Production Company, which are responsible for the detailed design and production of the mesh tail and braking mechanism, and the "Communist" factory that produces the 9B-1348 guide head, therefore, the R-77 has been delayed. Put into active service.
After China and India purchased the Su-30, equipped with the R-77 missile, Mao had the funds to establish a new production line to produce this advanced active missile.
Now we can only import corresponding parts from Ermao and assemble them in Moscow. Even so, it can be considered a success.
Being able to guide active air-to-air missiles is a advanced technology that makes Mr. Gu and others very interested. Even if the performance of the radar is poor, it is not unacceptable. If such an active radar-guided air-to-air missile is mounted on On the J-82 fighter, you can get a completely new change!
This day's visit and inspection slowly came to an end, and everyone returned to the hotel to rest.
"Today's harvest is really not small." Mr. Gu said with emotion: "The performance of this Beetle radar can still meet our needs. Next, we hope to install it on the J-82 fighter for testing and solve the problem of J-8 as soon as possible. 2. The problem of fighter aircraft being unable to carry medium-range missiles.”
"Yeah, this is really a good harvest, especially being able to guide mid-range missiles, it's perfect!" Sun Chong was also very happy.
"That's good. Even if we don't introduce the MiG-29 in the end, it still gives an explanation to the Mikoyan Design Bureau and gives them some benefits." Qin Tao said.
"Mr. Qin, are you so confident?" Mr. Gu said, "Let's go to Mikoyan Design Bureau and take a look around. Can those people in Sukhoi bow their heads?"
At this time, Mr. Gu still had some doubts.
Just then, the phone rang.
Sun Chong was sitting next to him, so he picked up the phone first. When he heard the voice inside, he suddenly became excited.
"What? Really? Okay, we'll go tomorrow!"
Putting down the phone, Sun hastily tried to calm down: "I just received a call from the Sukhoi Design Bureau. They invited us to negotiate tomorrow about the introduction of Su-27 production technology."
This time, everyone became excited.
"Mr. Qin, your method is really powerful!" Mr. Gu looked at Qin Tao with admiration.
September 4, 1993.
Sukhoi Design Bureau.
"Welcome to Moscow." Simonov said with a smile: "Since you are here, why didn't you say hello in advance? Just come to our Sukhoi Design Bureau. Our Su-27 has already taken on the responsibility of protecting It’s our national airspace mission.”
"Yes, we were originally very satisfied with the Su-27 fighter jets, but you have been unwilling to export the production line, so we can only settle for the next best thing. After all, our air force and naval aviation have thousands of them. Fighters are outdated and need to be replaced. It is impossible for us to purchase them all the time. It is very important for us to introduce production lines.”
Qin Tao clapped his fingers: "We have to produce Dolphin helicopters, Sidewinder missiles, 105mm guns, and all kinds of weapons and equipment ourselves. This is also one of the purposes of our weapons procurement."
You can talk about other things, but if you just want to sell airplanes, that's absolutely not possible.
Simonov nodded: "Yes, we have negotiated with our superiors, and our superiors have also agreed to our request to export the Su-27SK production line. In fact, we have wanted to export it for a long time, but our superiors did not agree."
Simonov threw the pot to the top.
Qin Tao secretly laughed in his heart, these guys can adapt to the market economy quickly. No wonder they can still prosper in future generations.
"In that case, let's discuss the details of importation."
The two parties sat in the conference room and started negotiations. When it came to professional issues, Qin Tao had nothing to do with it. Qin Tao looked around boredly and listened.
"You currently do not have the production and processing capabilities for titanium alloys. Therefore, we need to provide you with the titanium alloy body structural parts for the initial batch of aircraft. Many of them are over-long and over-wide parts. These can be used The An-225 transport aircraft you purchased will be used for transportation.”
At this point, Qin Tao had to get involved.
"We have been able to produce a large amount of TC4 titanium alloy in China. This alloy data is two-phase titanium alloy. It has good performance and can be used to manufacture titanium alloy structural frames in aircraft. As long as we introduce special molds from you, it should be We can complete the production of this structural part." Qin Tao said, "We can still make the aircraft shell."
I still have a lot of titanium alloy shells that I got back in the past! When he got it back, Qin Tao had already made plans. In addition to using the leftover materials to produce some gadgets such as spectacle frames, the main material was used to make Su-27.
For equipment such as engine fans and compressor disks, better titanium alloys must be used. However, for aircraft structural frames and beams, titanium alloys are sufficient.
Hearing what Qin Tao said, Simonov could only nod: "Okay, if the products you produce can meet our quality requirements, you can use your own products. However, you cannot produce aircraft engines yet. , can only be imported from us.”
Sure enough, Lao Maozi is not willing to hand over the Su-27 production line to China, and there will always be some troubles.
In the past, starting from the J-5, a complete set of production technologies was introduced and packaged together, so that domestic production could be 100% independent. However, when it came to the imported Su-27, Lao Maozi had a trick: not to provide engines.
In this way, Lao Maozi can control the output of China's Su-27 through the engine.
In particular, the aircraft produced in China are fine for personal use. If they want to be exported to a third country, Lao Maozi will definitely cut off the supply of engines.
This was Lao Maozi's last resort. They would not compromise on this aspect, so Qin Tao did not say anything: "This is decided by Mr. Gu and others."
The AL-31F (nicknamed Third Uncle) engine used by the Su-27 fighter jet is of great significance to China's aviation industry. It is not only used on the Su-27, but also on the J-10. If the technology can be introduced for production If so, it's very good.
However, Lao Maozi does not want to sell it, and if he buys his third uncle back, then it is conceivable that Turbofan 10 should be discontinued, and then the pace of domestic self-developed engines will stop again.
Only when engines are stuck, will China invest funds in research to develop turbofans and then develop subsequent advanced engines. Therefore, everything has two sides.
Qin Tao didn't interfere, but Mr. Gu and the others agreed to this request after discussing it.
If you don’t import engine technology, then buy it first. Later, when the turbofan is very successful, my third uncle will not need to buy it.
Comparing the two engines, each has its own merits.
The performance of the early turbofan X-10 was very unstable, and it could still be used on the twin-engine J-11. However, the single-engine J-10 still had to use the third uncle. However, with the turbofan With the continuous development and progress of Turbofan Ten, the stability has been continuously improved, and the performance has also been continuously developed. By the time Turbofan Ten B and Turbofan Ten C are reached, they will be completely mature.
If the third uncle's production line is introduced, it will not be so easy to improve on this engine. After all, it is not developed by ourselves.
Negotiations at the Sukhoi Design Bureau were continuing, and when the Mikoyan Design Bureau heard the news, they immediately felt like they were struck by thunder.
"Damn, these damn guys!" Belyakov cursed, his hands clenched into fists, and he hit the table hard, smashing a piece of glass on the table to pieces.
Who is he scolding?
Of course they are from Sukhoi Design Bureau!
The Mikoyan Design Bureau had just seen a glimmer of hope, but it was extinguished by the Sukhoi Design Bureau! In the past, I only saw various foreign manufacturers trying to undermine each other during arms sales. I didn't expect that it would be their turn now!
"Yes, they went too far. We have to go over and question those damn guys face to face!" His deputy was also angry.
"That's right, let's go together!" Someone picked up the fire stick.
"No, you can't do that." Although Belyakov was angry, he had not lost his mind after all. This is no longer the era of the Red Empire, and their Mikoyan Design Bureau has long since lost power.
If we hit the door, it will be a fight! No matter whose fault it is, it will end badly in the end.
"Then are we going to tolerate it like this?"
"I'll go find the superior leader!" Belyakov said.
PS: Chapter 313 has been released, everyone is welcome to read it.