Chapter 231 This Logical Perspective Is Too Tricky
[Player No. 2 please speak]
"Whether player No. 12 is a guard depends on whether there is someone in the back position jumping with him. If there is, then 12 should be the wolf. If not, you can only believe that he is a guard."
"At least the information he reported is correct. 1 said he poisoned player No. 8 last night, but only 8 died today. So maybe the knife edge was on player No. 1."
"Otherwise, where is the edge of the knife? Did the knife go empty? Or was player No. 8 the same knife and poison? Obviously it is impossible."
"It can only be that player No. 1 takes the knife, player No. 8 takes the poison, and player No. 1 is shielded. So judging from the death information last night, it is more reliable for No. 12 to defend No. 1 last night."
Player No. 2 is full of doubts about guard 12, but no matter how much he questions, as long as no one jumps against him, he has to believe that he is a guard.
Otherwise, who are the guards?
What's more, the guard information reported by 12 is correct. 8 took poison and died alone last night, which means that the knife edge is most likely blocked by a shield.
Who was most likely to get knifed last night? There is no doubt that it is player 1. As a guard, 12 is completely reasonable to guard 1.
He also had a good reason for not defending himself. He said that he was in the push-resistance position and the wolf would not be able to stab him easily, so he could use him to resist the push.
There is nothing wrong with this. Whether he is a guard or a witch, the wolf can resist pushing him with rhythm.
The wolf can fight against him as a guard, or against him as a witch. As long as the witch's poison is used up, the wolf has nothing to worry about.
Therefore, even if player No. 12 really has an identity, the wolf will not kill him. There is no need, just use the rhythm to beat him into a wolf and use it to resist pushing.
In this case, why is player 12 defending on his own? Why not just defend outside.
"For now, I believe that 12 is a guard. Although his speech and behavior yesterday were like a wolf, he jumped the guard after all, and no one has photographed him until now. I definitely can't say that he is a wolf. Guard, right?”
"As for Player No. 1, the witch, I can definitely recognize it, so I won't say more about it."
"Player No. 8 took poison. If there are no accidents, No. 8 should be the wolf. Of the three wolves 8, 9, and 10, there is probably only one wolf left on the field."
"This wolf may be player No. 5, but it may also be one of Player 3 or 11."
"Why 5 is a wolf? Yesterday we had a very clear discussion. The police officer took the lead and maliciously speculated on 6's motive for throwing gold and water to 7. He has a very big gangster image."
"Although his speech and speculation are not completely unreasonable, if 6's trump card is a wolf, it is indeed possible to throw gold and water into the police's card to attract votes and grab the police badge. It is a pity that 6 is a prophet in this game and 5 is wrong."
"Oh no, saying that the 5th set is wrong is at best, but at worst, he is maliciously speculating on the rhythm and deceiving the good guy into playing the 6th set."
"Actually, logically, player No. 5 may be a good person, or he may be a wolf, but the wolf pit is very crowded now, so I can only point him as a wolf."
"If you don't point him as a wolf, you can only point 3 and 11 as wolves, but 3 and 11 as wolves are a bit outrageous. I'm not going to point 3 and 11 as wolves at the same time just to avoid calling 5 as a wolf. "
"Now I can only say that player No. 5 is a wolf. Among players 3 and 11, there is a deep water wolf."
"Of course, the premise is that player No. 12 is a guard. If player 12 is not a guard, it is another matter."
"As for who is the wolf between 3 and 11, if it had been before, I would have chosen 11 without hesitation, but after listening to player No. 3's announcement, I felt that No. 3 was a gangster because he actually voted for 4. He said that 4 is a desperate wolf who wants to resist pushing player 10 to chase the turn."
"This speech is seriously distorted. You must know that he was the first to side with player No. 6 in the police. How could he stand on the opposite side in such a complicated situation? How could he not be able to tell who is the hunter between No. 4 and No. 10?"
"I think player No. 3 may not be confused. He is deliberately pretending to be confused and does not want to betray his teammates."
"Let's hear what 3 talks about later. Anyway, I don't dare to recognize him as a good person anymore."
"Today is the round of 5 and 12. If someone jumps guard against player No. 12, then 12 will be played. If no one jumps guard against player 12, then player No. 5 will be played."
"Now we are definitely in the lead in the round. Two wolves at 9 and 10 are eliminated, and two good guys at 6 and 7. Player No. 8 has a high probability of being a wolf after eating poison. As long as No. 7 is not a guard, we will win this round. "
"Okay, that's all I want to say in this round, the cards are good, the votes will be between 5 and 12, that's it, passed."
[Player No. 3 please speak]
"I am a witch, player No. 1 is a wolf, Yinshui is indeed player No. 4, and I poisoned player No. 8 last night. The blade of the knife must not be on 1. Judging from the current situation, 8 probably has the same poison with the same knife. of."
Player No. 3 got up and danced with a pair of witches, and it became lively now.
1 and 3 are the only two people on the police who stand on opposite sides. They were both recognized before, but after yesterday's speech, 3 was confronted by the gangster, but 1 still did his best as always.
In this case, 1 and 3 are jumping witches, and the good guys basically believe in player 1. After all, 1 is more good than 3.
Just like what player No. 2 said, police officer 3 can recognize 6 as a prophet when 4 and 5 are on the wrong side. How come they can't tell apart who is a hunter between 4 and 10?
If something goes wrong, there must be a monster. Player No. 3 can be confused on such a simple issue. I am afraid there is only one reason. He wants to lead the rhythm and resist the push of the hunter.
It is probably because they are reluctant to sell their teammates directly. It is better to push the hunter out of the game first than to let the wolf teammates be directly pushed out by the resistance.
"To be honest, before Player No. 1 did the witch dance, I never thought that he was a wolf. Regardless of his side or the logic of his speech, I didn't smell anything like a wolf."
"But he happened to be wearing my clothes. This can't be a way to block the knife, right? I don't think any good person would wear a witch's clothes casually in this situation. Isn't this seeking death?"
"Player No. 1 dances as a witch, and it must be a wolf dance."
"1 and 12 are not on the same side. Since player 1 is a wolf, then the guard 12 can recognize him. He said that player 1 was guarding last night, but today only 8 died alone. This shows that 8 The same sword and poison."
"8 is the good guy who left. There must be two wolves on the field, one is player No. 1, and the other one is probably player No. 5."
"No. 11 can't be played for the time being. Although I don't rule out that he is a wolf, at this time I can only point player No. 5 into the wolf pit."
"I know I want you to believe that I am a witch. It is difficult to resist pushing player No. 1, but as long as the good guys still want to win in this game, they must believe that I am the witch."
"Yesterday, 4 and 10 jumped to the hunter. Why didn't I want Pan 4 to be a hunter and suggested showing his perspective? It's because I think 4's ideas are not in line with those of a normal good person."
"Player No. 10 is checking to kill the jumping hunter. He must be a wolf, and since No. 10 is under the police, the possibility of No. 9 and No. 10 becoming two wolves is very small. If it were me, I would not play with No. 9 and No. 10 as two wolves. of."
"Since 9 and 10 are unlikely to be two wolves, then why don't I, as a hunter, take a closer look? Even if I want to play 9 and 10 wolves to kill the wolves, I can't just watch player No. 9 being pushed out of the game, right? .”
"It turned out that player No. 4 could do this kind of thing. I was really convinced by him. But at that time, I felt that No. 4 was a wolf who wanted to resist the push of the hunter."
"Because I fell into a strange circle, that is, the hunter will not fail to jump out and shoot player No. 10, but player No. 4 does not take the usual path."
"I know that player No. 4 must be particularly hostile to me. I guess he will believe without hesitation that No. 1 is a witch and I am a leaping wolf."
"This is what I am most worried about. If the hunter thinks so, there is a high probability that this round will go far."
"But I actually still have some illusions about player No. 4. He can even get the 9 and 10 wolf hunting and killing wolf boards. So he should be able to tell who is the witch between me and player 1, right? If you can’t tell the difference, there’s nothing you can do.”
"Yesterday I was going to point out that player No. 4 has a bad side from your perspective. I know this, but I don't think it's my problem, or it's not just my problem."
"Now the winning or losing depends on the thought of player No. 4. If he can recognize me as a witch, he will win the game. If he can't recognize me, he will definitely lose."
"Today my vote will definitely go to player No. 1, that's it, it's over."
[Player No. 4 please speak]
"1 and 3 are dancing witches. Logically speaking, I should press 3 hard on the ground and rub him. He is a wolf and beating him, but logic tells me that he should be the witch."
"He was the first one to check with the No. 6 player on the logic side. I remember it very clearly. He seemed to be competing with No. 5."
"At that time, Player No. 5 was on the side of No. 9, and he mentioned a detail of his speech, that is, Player No. 9 said that he would try his best to check and kill, so as not to make the good people of Jinshui suspicious."
"This makes 5 feel that 9 is not like a jumping wolf, while 3 is in tit-for-tat with 5, saying that player No. 6 also mentioned a detailed issue in his speech, which is to verify that player No. 2 rushed to check and kill."
"For the other boards, 7 is gold water, 10 is reverse gold, 2 does not need to be tested at all, and it is marked as a wolf directly. However, in order to prevent himself from being tested on Brother Lang, 6 deliberately ran to Dinglang to test."
"3 I don't think Diver Wolf would talk like this. This is also a detail of the speech."
"After I heard what player No. 3 said, I recognized him. Even though he was on a different side than mine, I never thought of calling him a wolf."
"At that time, I thought he was a smart-aleck good person. He always felt that others were on the wrong side, so he was on the right side."
"Yesterday I was a hunter, and he actually thought I was a desperate wolf and wanted me to test my gun."
"When such a statement comes out, it is indeed a bit outrageous, but I really don't think he is a wolf, because wolves don't make such outrageous statements."
"Like player No. 1, who recognizes me as a hunter and beats 10 to become a wolf. This is in line with the behavioral logic of a wolf."
When Ren Fan talked like this, everyone could tell that he wanted to recognize player No. 3 as a witch.
To this end, he also discussed two logical points.
One is that player No. 3 on the police station stood next to 6. His speech was very detailed. He talked about the key points of 6 becoming a prophet. It didn't feel like a wolf striking a barb.
The second is that if player No. 3 is a wolf, he would not dare to vote against him. After all, from the wolf's perspective, he is a real hunter. How dare the wolf stroke the hunter's beard? They are all coaxing to please, for fear of being shot. Pointing at himself.
Just because player No. 3 dared to vote him out, Ren Fan felt that No. 3 couldn't afford the wolf card. Some people might say that No. 3 was playing against the hunters, but it was unnecessary.
3's identity is so good, as long as he speaks normally, it can be said that no one can control him. In this case, he has lost his mind, and he will control any wolf and jump hunter.
Therefore, even if player No. 3's speech and behavior are not good, and his logic is very complicated, he does not want to call No. 3 a wolf.
"In addition to the two logics I just discussed, there is another point that can prove that player No. 3 is not a wolf."
"1 and 12 have one jump guard and one jump witch in the front position. If 3's hole card is a wolf, why does he jump to the witch?"
"If you want to jump hard, you must also jump to the guard hard. The difficulty of resisting player No. 1 is obviously very different from the difficulty of resisting player No. 12."
"Player No. 1 and Player 2 both said that if someone in the back position jumps to guard, they will push 12 out of the game, so 3 only needs to jump to guard."
"He doesn't jump on the guard to resist pushing player No. 12, but instead jumps on the witch with player No. 1. This is completely inconsistent with the wolf's behavioral logic and benefits."
"In other words, player No. 3 is a wolf and can't do this kind of thing. He won't jump on the witch. He must get the most benefit by jumping on the guard."
"Do you think this is true?"
Ren Fan's words were truly enlightening. The good people's eyes gleamed after hearing this, and they all felt that this was indeed true.
If you just listen to the speeches of 1 and 3, it's really hard to tell who is the wolf and who is the witch, but combined with the attitudes of 1 and 3 towards Ren Fan yesterday, it is obvious that the behavior of player 1 is better.
But from an overall perspective, player No. 3, as a wolf, should not jump on the witch, but on the guard. This is an operation that is in line with the wolves' profits.
How could any wolf be so stupid as to choose a hell-level difficulty jump instead of an easy one?
1 and 2 both made it very clear in the front position. As long as someone jumps the guard in the back position, player 12 will be pushed out of the game, so there is no reason for 3 not to jump the guard.
Unless he is mentally ill, he is willing to challenge difficult things and likes to play cards that do not follow the routine, but this is not appropriate.
After Ren Fan's speech, the good man's mind has completely changed.
Originally, 1 and 3 were jumping witches, and most good people preferred that player 1 be the witch and 3 be the strong jumper.
But after listening to Ren Fan's logic, they felt that their thinking was too simple.
On the one hand, as a wolf, Player No. 3 really has no reason to confront the hunter. His status is so high that there is no need to cause trouble for himself.
On the other hand, as a wolf, player No. 3 does not need to jump with 1 pair of witches, but only needs to jump with 12 pairs of guards, push the guards out of the game, kill the witch at night, and then kill the hunter again to win.
In fact, normal wolves should jump like this. As long as they can push player 12 out of the game, they will win. Isn't it crazy to compete with player 1 to steal the witch's clothes?
"Player No. 1 should be a wolf and a witch. Although it's a little weird to say that, it's the fact."
"Whether it is from the details of his speech or from the logic of his behavior, Player No. 3 cannot afford the wolf card."
"Player No. 1 has always been on the opposite side. Yesterday, he recognized me as a hunter. His speech moved me very much, but I am still moved. It is not love after all. He and I are not from the same world after all."
"So, I'm sorry to player No. 1, but today I, the hunter, have to vote for me."
"As for whether player No. 12 is a guard, there is a big question mark. Not to mention that there may be someone in the back position who jumps with 12 as a guard. Even if no one jumps with him, it does not mean that he is a guard."
"Who knows what cards were played by player No. 7 and player No. 8? Maybe the guard was among them."
"Originally, player No. 12 was in the anti-push position, but he jumped guard, which really made people feel guilty."
"Listen again. I actually don't recognize guard 12. After all, I used to label him a wolf."
"Let's see what the comments of the late players No. 5 and 11 are like. If someone on 5 or 11 jumps the guard, it will be simple. If no one jumps the guard, you have to think carefully about whether you believe the guard 12 or not. "
"If I feel that there is no point in talking about 5 and 11, I will lead the team to play the No. 12 player tomorrow. No one else can do this, only I can do it."
"Player No. 5, I did a good job of listening to your speech. Yesterday, even if you pointed me into the wolf pit, I didn't think you looked like a wolf."
"But now you have to do it even if I don't do it. I can't help it. The Wolf Pit is too crowded, and player No. 12 has to jump a guard, so it's very difficult. How about you jump with the 12th pair?"
"If you play guard against him, it's easy. A wolf will appear between 1 and 3, and a wolf will appear between 5 and 12. The outside positions are all good people."
"As for player No. 8, I don't think he ran away like a wolf. Think about it for yourself. If player No. 8 walked away like a wolf, there would be only one wolf left on the field. In this case, player No. 1 will jump to the witch rashly. Or does he need to risk jumping into the witch?"
"Only when there are two wolves on the field will the wolf jump on the witch."
"So, player No. 8 must be a good guy. Either No. 1 and No. 5 are two wolves, or No. 1 and 12 are two wolves. But judging from the speech, the possibility of No. 1 and No. 12 becoming wolf teammates is very small."
"Because player No. 12 beats the policeman 1, and the policeman 1 is also very hostile to 12, so it is unlikely that they will become two wolves."
"And this is one of the important reasons why I began to doubt the identity of player No. 5. Otherwise, I would still tend to think that No. 5 is a good person."
"Okay, that's all I want to say in this round. No matter what, I'll push Player 1 out of the game today. I, the hunter, will lead the team. That's it. That's it."
[Player No. 5 please speak]
"I have just been thinking about how I should show off to make good people recognize me. After thinking about it for a long time, there seems to be no good way."
"As for the statement that the player No. 6 on the police board gave gold to the police player 7 in order to canvass votes and grab the police badge, I have explained it clearly before."
"I'm not speculating maliciously. I was standing next to player No. 9 at the time. I must think about why player No. 6, as a fierce jumping wolf, wanted to give gold to 7 under the police. Did he want to give 7 an identity, or did he want to pull him? 7 votes to grab the police badge.”
"Although I am on the wrong side, my mentality is definitely that of a good person, and it is not what you think."
"Actually, I also know that logic has pros and cons. If I talk like this, you will think that I am quibbling and making excuses to justify my behavior."
"If player No. 12 is really a guard, I don't think I need to show off. Just treat me as a fault-tolerant anti-exit player."
"I'm afraid that player 12 is not a guard. The real guards are among 7 and 8."
"Originally, I thought that player No. 8 might be a wolf that took poison and ran away. The guard was hit by a knife last night. But after listening to player No. 4's speech, I think what he said makes sense. If there is only one player left on the field, If you are a wolf, the wolf will not jump at the witch."
"Since the wolf dares to jump on the witch, it means there are two wolves on the field."
Player No. 5 agrees very much with Ren Fanpan’s logic and ideas. Player No. 8 probably did not run like a wolf.
If 8 is a wolf, and there is only one wolf left on the field, it is impossible for the wolf to jump on the witch.
This is true whether 1 is a wolf or 3 is a wolf.
In the current situation, whether the good guys have a fault tolerance rate depends entirely on whether 12 is a guard. If he is a guard, the good guys have a fault tolerance rate.
After all, guards can guard people, but if 12 is not a guard, the good guys will have no room for error.
If you make one mistake, you lose.
1 and 3 jumped witches. Ren Fan believed that player No. 3 was a witch, which was indeed beyond his expectation. However, after listening to Ren Fan's logic, he felt that it made sense.
Player No. 3's speech and behavior were not good. This is an irrefutable fact, but his behavior was not in line with the Wolves' profits.
In this way, there is no way to argue that player No. 3 is a wolf, only that he is a good person, a good person who is sometimes clear-headed and sometimes confused.
"Actually, I want to play 1 and 11 wolves now, because after listening to the speech of player 4, I also feel that 3 is unlikely to be able to win the wolf card."
"His behavior is not in line with the Wolves' profits, whether it is the direct view of player No. 4 on the ticket, or the witch dance with player No. 1."
"Player No. 3 is a witch, and player No. 1 is a wolf. If I remember correctly, player No. 12 is called 1. This means that 1 and 12 will most likely not meet."
"At this point, there is no need to doubt that wolves 1 and 12 stepped on the wolf and pulled the opposite side as their identities. Although it is logically possible, if we want to win at this time, we can only believe that player 12 is the guard."
"Otherwise, what should I do? If player No. 12 is a wolf, can I beat him? Obviously I can't beat him."
"I simply believe that he is a guard, with two wolves at 1 and 11. And judging from the current situation, this possibility is also the highest."
"Okay, that's all I want to say in this round. The trump card is a good guy, a commoner. I believe in the logic of player No. 4. I will play player No. 1 today. That's it. That's it."